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To: Public Netbase NewsAgent
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Subject: Re: Mass Transit.
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From: Sarim Siddiqui <ssiddiqu@us.oracle.com>
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 16:37:49 -0700 (PDT)
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Article: soc.culture.pakistan.122609
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Score: 100

Nadeem Jamali wrote:
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> In article <4r26tb$mp@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca> ya156020@alumnet.yorku.ca (Naeem Siddiqi) writes:
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> jamali@ganges.cs.uiuc.edu (Nadeem Jamali) wrote:
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> >In article <4qvd2v$bfn@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca> ya156020@alumnet.yorku.ca (Naeem Siddiqi) writes:
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> > ++ tell me mr. bhutta, why do all trains need army escorts when
> > passing thru interior Sindh ? Why do Sindhi wadera's still practice
> > slavery ? Is violence due to race or politics ?
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> >Can I answer instead? I'm not sure if all trains need army escorts or
> >not, but if they do, it makes perfect sense. There aren't resources to
> >deploy troops throughout the entire length and width of Sindh like in
> >Karachi.
> ++ my point was to show that violence is not some kind of race thing
> equated with all muhajirs. MQM kills, so do Sindhi waderas, so do
> punjabis',pathans and everyone else. your magic mushroom induced
> conspiracy theories are too far fetched.
>
> Your point is baseless. Security on trains is not against waderas coming
> and killing people. I have yet to hear of an incident of a wadera going
> and attacking people on a train. Waderas are rich landlords, if you
> didn't know. The passengers on trains are often predominantly Sindhi,
> and there have been incidents where MQM terrorists have gotten inside
> at some station, separated people on ethnic lines and killed Sindhis.
> I specifically remember instances of stopping buses in Karachi, picking
> out Sindhis and shooting them.. once killing more than 100 fishermen.
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> The only other threat is robbers who are guilty of random violence.
> But that doesn't mean all killings are random.. Are you really suggesting
> that Mohajirs killing Sindhis is random violence??
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> >As far as Sindhi wadera's wrong practices are concerned... is that
> >your excuse for killing the innocent poor Sindhis who somehow manage
> >to get out of the wadera's slavery and look for menial jobs in
> >Karachi?
> ++ innocent EVERYONE gets killed. by MQM, by police, by army. a child
> walking on the street who gets shot by a sniper is as innocent as a
> passerby murdered by the cops.
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> You probably haven't seen the figures on how many of the innocent
> people killed in Karachi and Hyderabad were ethnic Sindhis, killed by
> MQM as revenge against the army crackdown. News was all over in all
> Sindhi papers, but never considered by Urdu/English press. Even the
> Human Rights group in Pakistan is filled with MQM supporters. There
> was a big meeting in Islamabad and luckily there were some Sindhi
> journalists etc. there. Although reluctantly, the group had to include
> the term terrorists for MQM in their final draft, after seeing that
> all foreign correspondents were starting to understand the picture.
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> >This is one of the strangest things. MQM kills the poor lower/middle
> >class Sindhis, wants them to get out of the cities, out of jobs, out
> >of colleges etc. In case you care, lower/middle class Sindhis living
> ++ this is pure fantasy on your part. suggest you throw away that
> bong.
>
> All evidence seems to be supporting my ``pure fantasy.'' What support
> do you have besides ``MQM News'' and the Karachi media too scared to



